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	<title>Comments on: Dear Craigslist</title>
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	<description>Join the NO!SPEC campaign and say NO to spec</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: D-signer.</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-22509</link>
		<dc:creator>D-signer.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitepoints design contests are now named 99designs.
Before the 'contestholders' could hold contest for free, they
had to pay the winners ofcourse (if they did) but now the site charges 39 credits (1 credit is 1 dollar) and the contestholders are now less friendly, because they paid I guess, but not me, but the site, so what do I care?
And after their initial 39 credits they also pay the winner ofcourse.(if they do, I don`t know). I did it for a while just to see how it works. Your idea's get stolen and used in other designcontests, or even the same. The 'contestholders' sometimes even tell the designers that they like aome part of one design and ask other designers to follow that, yeah, like we are a designteam there where they can pick design parts.
So I finally quit my experiment today, locally I make some money now, which is more then I made there, which was , nothing.(well i am not a great designer, but my idea's got nicked anyway. Which pissed me off)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitepoints design contests are now named 99designs.<br />
Before the &#8216;contestholders&#8217; could hold contest for free, they<br />
had to pay the winners ofcourse (if they did) but now the site charges 39 credits (1 credit is 1 dollar) and the contestholders are now less friendly, because they paid I guess, but not me, but the site, so what do I care?<br />
And after their initial 39 credits they also pay the winner ofcourse.(if they do, I don`t know). I did it for a while just to see how it works. Your idea&#8217;s get stolen and used in other designcontests, or even the same. The &#8216;contestholders&#8217; sometimes even tell the designers that they like aome part of one design and ask other designers to follow that, yeah, like we are a designteam there where they can pick design parts.<br />
So I finally quit my experiment today, locally I make some money now, which is more then I made there, which was , nothing.(well i am not a great designer, but my idea&#8217;s got nicked anyway. Which pissed me off)</p>
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		<title>By: Ix</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-8031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rus, I fail to see where you're coming from without links to places where the writer of this article or the members here posted an add(s) on CraigsList expecting musical work for free.

I also believe that like me, everyone here takes the general stance that no one should work for free unless it's working Pro Bono as their own choice and that no one should be forced/expected to do free work.

I don't see where the article even mentions not paying musicians.

As I don't have the time or energy to search CraigsList myself it's going to be up to you to step up to the plate with evidence for your claims.

-Ix

As a side note, how does one become a member/get a password to the older content? I don't see any "register here" place on the site, but maybe I'm just blind while searching for something once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rus, I fail to see where you&#8217;re coming from without links to places where the writer of this article or the members here posted an add(s) on CraigsList expecting musical work for free.</p>
<p>I also believe that like me, everyone here takes the general stance that no one should work for free unless it&#8217;s working Pro Bono as their own choice and that no one should be forced/expected to do free work.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see where the article even mentions not paying musicians.</p>
<p>As I don&#8217;t have the time or energy to search CraigsList myself it&#8217;s going to be up to you to step up to the plate with evidence for your claims.</p>
<p>-Ix</p>
<p>As a side note, how does one become a member/get a password to the older content? I don&#8217;t see any &#8220;register here&#8221; place on the site, but maybe I&#8217;m just blind while searching for something once again.</p>
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		<title>By: rus</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-6415</link>
		<dc:creator>rus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait, so let me get this straight?
either these ads you post on craigslist are a joke to make a point?
or you are stupid enough to feel that musicians should work for free but not illustrators?
guess what, you CAN actually get paid work with visual design work
very few musicians ever get paid more than gas money and a couple free beers
this includes many of your favorite artists

everyone should get paid
every
one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait, so let me get this straight?<br />
either these ads you post on craigslist are a joke to make a point?<br />
or you are stupid enough to feel that musicians should work for free but not illustrators?<br />
guess what, you CAN actually get paid work with visual design work<br />
very few musicians ever get paid more than gas money and a couple free beers<br />
this includes many of your favorite artists</p>
<p>everyone should get paid<br />
every<br />
one</p>
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		<title>By: cat</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-4753</link>
		<dc:creator>cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 11:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments Rachel, they are appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Rachel, they are appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-4651</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to thank you for this site and everyone's comments.
As a free-lance artist, I have wasted way too many hours dealing with disrespectful people trying to get a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to thank you for this site and everyone&#8217;s comments.<br />
As a free-lance artist, I have wasted way too many hours dealing with disrespectful people trying to get a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: hair cuts &#187; Dear Craigslist</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>hair cuts &#187; Dear Craigslist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Howard Mann wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptA gig is a one time deal or something of short duration. It is not a job. People looking for “gigs” aren’t looking for a job, usually they have one and want to supplement their income or they like the freelance lifestyle afforded by &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Howard Mann wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptA gig is a one time deal or something of short duration. It is not a job. People looking for “gigs” aren’t looking for a job, usually they have one and want to supplement their income or they like the freelance lifestyle afforded by &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: station &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Craigslist</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator>station &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Craigslist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAnother interesting anon posting from craigslist. There are serious people looking for serious work here. For the most part, you can get very talented, highly skilled deveopers that can do just about anything, provided you are willing &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAnother interesting anon posting from craigslist. There are serious people looking for serious work here. For the most part, you can get very talented, highly skilled deveopers that can do just about anything, provided you are willing &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Dear Craigslist</title>
		<link>http://www.no-spec.com/archives/dear-craigslist/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Dear Craigslist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThere are serious people looking for serious work here. For the most part, you can get very talented, highly skilled deveopers that can do just about anything, provided you are willing to pay for it or your compensation is reasonable. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThere are serious people looking for serious work here. For the most part, you can get very talented, highly skilled deveopers that can do just about anything, provided you are willing to pay for it or your compensation is reasonable. &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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