Comments on: Open Letter to CL (Craigslist) Administration http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/ Join the NO!SPEC campaign and say NO to spec Sat, 17 May 2008 05:14:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Workpost.com http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-22510 Workpost.com Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:20:01 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-22510 We are looking for ways to solve (or at least alleviate) these problems, starting by sorting between paid work vs. unpaid work. Since Workpost doesn't have many users right now, we can experiment and make big changes to the site when necessary; please do not hesitate to write us with suggestions. Thank you, Workpost http://www.workpost.com We are looking for ways to solve (or at least alleviate) these problems, starting by sorting between paid work vs. unpaid work.

Since Workpost doesn’t have many users right now, we can experiment and make big changes to the site when necessary; please do not hesitate to write us with suggestions.

Thank you,

Workpost
http://www.workpost.com

]]> By: Michael http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-20281 Michael Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:14:56 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-20281 I agree that separating the payers from the beggars is a great idea, but if they are going to do that, why not also make another separate gig board for non-profit orgs? They usually have links to show their non-profit status, and they won't be relegated to the beggar boards. I for one, would gladly look through such a board to see if there is a pro-bono request that I would be willing to do I agree that separating the payers from the beggars is a great idea, but if they are going to do that, why not also make another separate gig board for non-profit orgs? They usually have links to show their non-profit status, and they won’t be relegated to the beggar boards. I for one, would gladly look through such a board to see if there is a pro-bono request that I would be willing to do

]]> By: Jason http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-13998 Jason Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:52:23 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-13998 There is an even easier way to solve this. Charge something absurdly low to post a job on Craigslist. Even $5 would work. Morons who want free work simply won't invest the vast sum of $5. They'll go to the MANY other job boards where freeloading is rampant. As pathetic as it sounds, $5 is going to be a barrier entry for 99% of the shitheads out there who need some confused or just plain freaked out creative person to subsidize their journey down capitalism lane. There is an even easier way to solve this. Charge something absurdly low to post a job on Craigslist. Even $5 would work.

Morons who want free work simply won’t invest the vast sum of $5. They’ll go to the MANY other job boards where freeloading is rampant.

As pathetic as it sounds, $5 is going to be a barrier entry for 99% of the shitheads out there who need some confused or just plain freaked out creative person to subsidize their journey down capitalism lane.

]]> By: lauren stephens http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-13788 lauren stephens Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:05:53 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-13788 i agree with having the separate "free gig" board. years ago, i was at my favorite domain name website namepros.com and i asked upfront for anyone who was giving away domain names for FREE, yes for free... i was very upfront and i scored some excellent names that way, but never at any time would i ever consider scamming someone or misleading anyone into giving me something for free. i too am a designer of sorts, i do web design and i NEVER do spec work and as a matter of fact, for the past few years i refuse to do ANY work without full payment in advance. i have found that the more legitimate appearing companies are actually the ones who jerk you around the most at payment time, holding your money hostage for numerous revisions... ack, it sucks being in the business, but at least i control my business, not the client. it is hilarious how clients think they have control over my policies and procedures. i agree with having the separate “free gig” board.

years ago, i was at my favorite domain name website namepros.com and i asked upfront for anyone who was giving away domain names for FREE, yes for free…

i was very upfront and i scored some excellent names that way, but never at any time would i ever consider scamming someone or misleading anyone into giving me something for free. i too am a designer of sorts, i do web design and i NEVER do spec work and as a matter of fact, for the past few years i refuse to do ANY work without full payment in advance. i have found that the more legitimate appearing companies are actually the ones who jerk you around the most at payment time, holding your money hostage for numerous revisions…

ack, it sucks being in the business, but at least i control my business, not the client. it is hilarious how clients think they have control over my policies and procedures.

]]> By: Alexandra http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11912 Alexandra Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:14:05 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11912 Absolutelly agree with the letter! Honestly, within the last fews years I just had a handfull of design jobs coming out of CL, the rest of the prospects ended up in bull...as usual. I am one of the many that everytime I see an ass trying to hire quality work for pennies or no money at all..I post a complaint on CL, and believe it or not, many times I get angry e-mails from fellow designers, saying that "at least I am doing something to expand my portfolio".....as you can see, even some so called professionals don't even get it! They are not only hurting themselves but everyone else!!! And I have to disagree with Tom when you say: "the gigs section is for more open ended work, whereas the jobs section is more legit." Although honestly I don't even waste time reading what's on the gigs section (it's a joke) the jobs section is equally as BAD! I am sure fellow designers will agree with me on that one... Absolutelly agree with the letter!
Honestly, within the last fews years I just had a handfull of design jobs coming out of CL, the rest of the prospects ended up in bull…as usual.
I am one of the many that everytime I see an ass trying to hire quality work for pennies or no money at all..I post a complaint on CL, and believe it or not, many times I get angry e-mails from fellow designers, saying that “at least I am doing something to expand my portfolio”…..as you can see, even some so called professionals don’t even get it!
They are not only hurting themselves but everyone else!!!

And I have to disagree with Tom when you say: “the gigs section is for more open ended work, whereas the jobs section is more legit.”

Although honestly I don’t even waste time reading what’s on the gigs section (it’s a joke) the jobs section is equally as BAD! I am sure fellow designers will agree with me on that one…

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]]> By: Tom http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11291 Tom Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:17:07 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11291 And sorry, one more thing. I'm an accomplished designer with too much work. So I hire people to help. And so I have the unique viewpoint of both sides, so please don't flame me just because I don't totally agree with you. the gigs section is for more open ended work, whereas the jobs section is more legit. Stay off the gigs section if you want more legit stuff. I understand the point, but you guys have to look at both sides. In the spicier markets, ie SF, you have to pay to post an ad in the jobs section, because guess what, it's legit. The gigs section is for more small, or no budget stuff. If you are looking there, be prepared for some zero budget jobs And sorry, one more thing. I’m an accomplished designer with too much work. So I hire people to help. And so I have the unique viewpoint of both sides, so please don’t flame me just because I don’t totally agree with you.

the gigs section is for more open ended work, whereas the jobs section is more legit. Stay off the gigs section if you want more legit stuff. I understand the point, but you guys have to look at both sides. In the spicier markets, ie SF, you have to pay to post an ad in the jobs section, because guess what, it’s legit. The gigs section is for more small, or no budget stuff. If you are looking there, be prepared for some zero budget jobs

]]> By: Tom http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11290 Tom Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:08:20 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-11290 I have an alternative viewpoint to offer in regards to this. I am completely on board with the no-spec work philosphy, but there are realities about CL which are unfortunate and sort of take it out of the realm of professionalism. First off 99% of the people who respond to ads placed for work are scammers so to speak, and pretty much just spam every single post out there with form letters. I think work found in this manner tends to be regarded as expendable, and seems to breed a certain irresponsibility. Everyone claims to do everything, be 'experts' in web 2.0, or SEO masters, 'high end designers' or whatever. It's hard for me to sift through it all, and I know what I'm looking for. Imagine an employer at an ad agency, not knowing the technical end of things, and having to sort through 100s of, I'm not goign to mince words, liars and cheaters, to find the one honest guy. I pay real money for people, I put a detailed description and the rate in my add but the honest to god truth is people end up wanting money for nothing, ignoring the rate or wasting my time with calls where they try to hook me in on these shady contracts. So, in my opinion this is not a one sided problem. It is like looking in the classifieds for work but far worse. Overall, everyone needs to become more responsible for this system to work. Quality employers are being driven away and all you have are scheisters left and right. Just a thought. I have an alternative viewpoint to offer in regards to this. I am completely on board with the no-spec work philosphy, but there are realities about CL which are unfortunate and sort of take it out of the realm of professionalism. First off 99% of the people who respond to ads placed for work are scammers so to speak, and pretty much just spam every single post out there with form letters. I think work found in this manner tends to be regarded as expendable, and seems to breed a certain irresponsibility. Everyone claims to do everything, be ‘experts’ in web 2.0, or SEO masters, ‘high end designers’ or whatever. It’s hard for me to sift through it all, and I know what I’m looking for. Imagine an employer at an ad agency, not knowing the technical end of things, and having to sort through 100s of, I’m not goign to mince words, liars and cheaters, to find the one honest guy.

I pay real money for people, I put a detailed description and the rate in my add but the honest to god truth is people end up wanting money for nothing, ignoring the rate or wasting my time with calls where they try to hook me in on these shady contracts. So, in my opinion this is not a one sided problem. It is like looking in the classifieds for work but far worse.

Overall, everyone needs to become more responsible for this system to work. Quality employers are being driven away and all you have are scheisters left and right.

Just a thought.

]]> By: Annoyed about cheapos as usual.. http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-9150 Annoyed about cheapos as usual.. Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:41 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-9150 I agree completely, this free loading is getting old. I've come to a point where I hardly use CL anymore because I waste SO much time weening through the non paid ones it's ridiculous. CL should either a) Provide a section as suggested for PAYING GIGS and NON PAYING GIGS. b) Make it a rule of thumb that in a job post title PAID, DEFERRED PAYMENT or NON PAYING is entered so we may choose if even to click on it and give it the time of day. I agree completely, this free loading is getting old.

I’ve come to a point where I hardly use CL anymore because I waste SO much time weening through the non paid ones it’s ridiculous.

CL should either
a) Provide a section as suggested for PAYING GIGS and NON PAYING GIGS.
b) Make it a rule of thumb that in a job post title PAID, DEFERRED PAYMENT or NON PAYING is entered so we may choose if even to click on it and give it the time of day.

]]> By: seo ranter http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-9057 seo ranter Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:04:57 +0000 http://www.no-spec.com/archives/open-letter-to-craigslist/#comment-9057 I agree with the above letter although I don't think Craigslist is going to do anything about it. I agree with the above letter although I don’t think Craigslist is going to do anything about it.

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